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Mysty Ex Member Perseverance is the Answer	Re: Is it Still Birth? [ Revised 2/19 ] Reply #19 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Dear Daniel.. I find this piece quit esoteric. I understood the whole thing though I keep wanting to change a word when I read it out loud... Quote: Is faith a solo or is it relational I want to say " Is faith a solo act or is it a personal revelation " Just my quirky train of thought though. I do find I quite like the questioning of self in this...... the almost "Self talk me into it". Thanks for sharing. Love Mysty


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Ladygrace Ex Member Dance more	Re: Is it Still Birth? [ Revised 2/19 ] Reply #18 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Daniel, An enlightened look at James 2:14-26! I do stumble a little with the second line in the first stansa. I'm not sure about your word choice "foodless". I understand your reference to James 2:15-16 and would consider "malnourished" or possibly "hungry". Overall, your poem brings forth the truth that faith without deeds is indeed dead and has nothing to do with works bringing about faith. In other words, good works are a result of faith! Feeling your warmth in the Light, Nancy Just_Daniel wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am: ^{Minor Revision 2/19:} Is it Still Birth? How is it faith to greet a cold, foodless friend Be warmed; be filled ? Is faith detached from action or does it demand Show me ? Is faith a solo or is it relational? Abraham believed and it changed him forever; he was called the friend of God. Is faith a concept or does it conceive... action... its deeds given birth? As acts that trust themselves so is do-nothing ‘faith’... dead. _{© MLee Dickens'son 18 Feb 2008 reflection on James 2:14-26 Original: S3L3 ~ its deeds giving birth?}


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Just_Daniel Topic Starter Ex Member Slow down; things will go faster. ~ djr	Lucy... Reply #17 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Yes, that is exactly how to learn new forms... slowly... steadily, patiently. I'm glad that you are. I did, however, just change one word in S3L3... 'geven' instead of 'giving'. It occured to me that genuine faith, when it's conceived produces action... not the other way around, as 'giving' would have implied. deLightingly appreciating your thoughtful return visit, Daniel 8)
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Lucy Ex Member Never too old to learn	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #16 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Oh! You got me again, Daniel. I didn't think about counting syllables to see if it was a form. So it is Tanka--ah ha! Oh, I wouldn't change a thing, then. I am slowly learning about different forms. Patience, patience! Lucy


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Just_Daniel Topic Starter Ex Member Slow down; things will go faster. ~ djr	Alan... Reply #15 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	alanmdouglas wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am: Dear Daniel, Thought-provoking, therefore excellent ! [ Thank you! ] ^{Davidf, no : As acts that trust themselves so is do-nothing ‘faith’... dead. could be put as Therefore like acts that trust themselves, do-nothing ‘faith’... is dead.} Daniel, a philosopher I cleave to says: A being is only as valuable as he can be of service to others. So do-nothing is not an option. You, and your source, are quite right. Love, Alan Thank you so much for that citation and your affirmation, Alan. It's always a deLight to have you visit. ~ Daniel 8)
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Just_Daniel Topic Starter Ex Member Slow down; things will go faster. ~ djr	David... Reply #14 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	davidf wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am: Daniel, Like Lucy, I enjoyed the read. Just wondering ... shouldn't the last line be a question and therefore not end with a period? ~Davidf I can see why you read it that way, since it actually can be, but no, as Alan explains, it is indeed a statement here. deLighting in your sharing perspective, Daniel 8)


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Just_Daniel Topic Starter Ex Member Slow down; things will go faster. ~ djr	Don... Reply #13 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Don wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am: Dear Just-Daniel, Oops a mental typo wrote John instead of James. [ I knew that; I was just teasing you gaff! ] Historically the disciples, far flung in geography, establishing the early church were clawing stone walls to survive. Indeed their faith was indelibly strong. [ Quite so! ] BTW your title is okay with me. Thank you so much for your futher comments, Don! deLightingly, Daniel 8)


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Just_Daniel Topic Starter Ex Member Slow down; things will go faster. ~ djr	Lucy... Reply #12 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Lucy wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am: Hi Daniel. I hesitate to critique here--you are so far ahead of me in poetry--but I've noticed most of yours is done in form. Just remember that if I'm further ahead than you, I may be going in the wrong direction and need to come back and plod the right road a little more slowly. That's happened more than a few times, believe me! And this, I believe is free verse. I was hoping that it would appear to be free verse. However, it's a collection of three tanka, which you'll easily see on further investigation. I understand your poem easily--its what I've been taught all my life. In all honesty, I believe you could tighten this up a bit, however. I'm hoping to do just that! I've no ideas at the moment, but I want to mull this one over just a bit. The title is a bit confusing, but probably just me. I'll bet you could do this in some sort of form, since form is your style. Love your idea. Lucy Thanks so much, Luc. The title, actually, in this case is meant to be a bit confusing... to draw the reader into the poem... at least that was my intention. I'll look forward to your return. deLightingly, Daniel 8)
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alan Ex Member	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #11 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Dear Daniel, Though-provoking, therefore excellent ! Davidf, no : As acts that trust themselves so is do-nothing ‘faith’... dead. could be put as Therefore like acts that trust themselves, do-nothing ‘faith’... is dead. Daniel, a philosopher I cleave to says : A being is only as valuable as he can be of service to others. So do-nothing is not an option. You, and your source, as quite right. Love Alan


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davidf Ex Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1!	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #10 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Daniel, Like Lucy, I enjoyed the read. Jus wondering...shouldn't the last line be a question and therefore not end with a period? ~Davidf


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Don Ex Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1!	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #9 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Dear Just-Daniel, Oops a mental typo wrote John instead of James. Historically the disciples, far flung in geography, establishing the early church were clawing stone walls to survive. Indeed their faith was indelibly strong. BTW your title is okay with me.


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Lucy Ex Member Never too old to learn	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #8 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Hi Daniel. I hesitate to critique here--you are so far ahead of me in poetry--but I've noticed most of yours is done in form. And this, I believe is free verse. I understand your poem easily--its what I've been taught all my life. In all honesty, I believe you could tighten this up a bit, however. I've no ideas at the moment, but I want to mull this one over just a bit. The title is a bit confusing, but probably just me. I'll bet you could do this in some sort of form, since form is your style. Love your idea. Lucy


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Just_Daniel Topic Starter Ex Member Slow down; things will go faster. ~ djr	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #7 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	It doesn't say so here, but yes, John does agree with James. So do Peter and Paul and the rest, actually... though some would have Paul in disagreement. On the surface it would appear so, but it's best to see James and Paul back to back protecting each other's back side staving off enemies of the Gospel coming from two different directions: the legalists on the one hand and the credalists on the other, to be simplistic. Thank you for revisiting, Don. deLightingly, Daniel 8)


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Don Ex Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1!	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #6 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Dear Just_Daniel, Ah yes, your poem is extremely clear after reading the Biblical passage. Faith and action are relational and faith without action is dead. You have chosen to ask retorical questions, which contain their own answers. I appreciate your depth of presentation requiring a little research into a source, which you provided. Whether or not reader agrees with John is moot. Your poem and John do agree. Thanks for sharing. Don


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Don Ex Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1!	Re: Is it Still Birth? Reply #5 - Jan 1^st, 1970 at 12:00am	Print Post
	Hi Just_Daniel, Thanks for your response. I normally see your points more readily than this time. A great deal of depth or background required to fathom the nuances. I copied your first sentence and grammar checked it via software. WOW! First time I've seen the reading ease at 100%. I apologize for not seeing the Biblical passage reference, which I will read now and return with enlightened commentary. Don


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