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Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 1970 at 12:00am
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Thanks- quite nice having someone to care actually... Though my parents care sufficiently... I would say too much at times... Though I'm not one of those parent-hating boys. Thank you anyway
  
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Re: Road to Oblivion
Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 1970 at 12:00am
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think that the shadow, however, isn't necessarily the shadow an umbrella would create on a sunny day. More like the thing it covers. You know, the mystic figure you would see under an umbrella while it's really dark, and you can't really distinguish the "shadow's" face under. There's something about that which fascinates me. Guess I pictured myself walkin' down under an umbrella. Anyway - might chose "the figure" or something instead. 

Got it. . .I can see that. . .

see. . .that's a visual. . .that's showing us something that the reader can use in their mind's eye. . .to capture your metaphor. . .

shadowed figure. . .shadowy figure. . .yes, I'd go with figure.    *smile*

As for "the matter" -- thank you. . .and we will breathe easier a bit. . .*soft smile*. . .I have  many poems of "angst" and or "depression" in  my past as well. . .heck, I have them in my present.  *smile*  

We just care. . .and you'll just have to put up with us. . .when we share our concern.  I know, parents, can be tough to deal with. . .lolol  *grin*

You're very mature. . .for 16.  . .I'm going to bank on that being on more levels than the academic.


~R~
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Re: Road to Oblivion
Reply #3 - Jan 1st, 1970 at 12:00am
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Hi Doug and Rene. 

Thanks for the creative response. I like your ideas Doug!

Ren(e?) thanks for your very in-depth critique, really nice of you to take the time. As for that matter - I can assure you both that I'm not suicidal. I just wrote this when I wasn't too happy. But in no way on the verge of committing suicide.   

I see your point on the first things.
I think that the shadow, however, isn't necessarily the shadow an umbrella would create on a sunny day. More like the thing it covers. You know, the mystic figure you would see under an umbrella while it's really dark, and you can't really distinguish the "shadow's" face under. There's something about that which fascinates me. Guess I pictured myself walkin' down under an umbrella. Anyway - might chose "the figure" or something instead.

About the rain vs. precipitation! Precipitation I see as the concrete things falling of the sky, rain is more like a symbol of all the negativity slamming you down. A hard rain's gonna fall, y'know.

See your next points as well - and - not going to kill myself~smile~

I'm so far from home could also easily be replaced, and thanks. 

Thanks again for helping a needy!

  
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Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 1970 at 12:00am
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Hello Rimbaud. . .welcome to The Firebox. . .

There is a haunting beauty to this. . .though we walk the line. . .a bit fearful of the literal meanings behind this work.  It is quite common for young people to explore their solitude. . .be weary of life before it even truly begins. . .

so forgive us for the feeling of needing to "parent" those us "oldsters" feel are so young to be disheartened.

Now. . .with that out of the way. . .on to the work.  Again, you astound me with your use of English as a second laguage. . .

The tender street lamps 
flatter my shadow, 
as I pad down the lane 
of my infinite solitude 
 
Oh, if these lights 
only shone to illuminate 
my eclipsed existence... 
I'm deservedly desolate 
 
I will address this two stanzas at a time.  Tender is not necessarily an adjective that one would apply to street lamps. . .unless one was personifying them, which is not the case here. . .perhaps you are looking for an adjective such as "forgiving". . .in other words the soft light makes one look better. . ."forgives" faults.

As I pad down the lane of my infinite solitude. . .while this is a line that I personally like and can feel. . .it is an abstraction that other critics will likely take you to task for. . .and, in truth, if you could show us that infinite solitude. . .the poetics would flow with more visual impact.

You tell us about an eclipsed existence. . .but we can not see what has eclipsed it. . .can you?  And, if you can. .  .can you show us?  Deservedly desolate. . .but we have been shown nothing to qualify that deservedness. . .show us as much as possible.


my umbrella's shadow 
is kept from precipitation, 
but rain is inevitable 
in this state of mind 
 
you want to be 
my emancipator- 
like a wind stripping 
away all sins 

I would opt to remove shadow from L1 above. . .the shadow could not actually be kept from precipitation because if there were a shadow it would extend out and away from the umbrella (unless it was straight up noon)and would most certainly be rained upon.   Even if it is straight up noon. . .it is more than likely a cloudy day without sun. . .and, therefore, no shadow created.  And if rain is inevitable. . .then. . .the umbrella or its shadow would not be kept from it, yes?

I absolutely love the next stanza. . .bravo. . .I can hear it. .  .I can feel the wind stripping away. . .

however, I would like to see the "you" brought into the poem a bit earlier. . .who is the you. . .what is the connection.


but they won't disappear 
I'm all alone now, 
no hurricane could blow 
away my solitude 
 
only death can clean 
my impure body, 
no need to tell 
where I'm flying 

How did you become all alone. . .what happened to the "you" from above. . .possibly something stronger than "blow" -- a hurricane is a catastrophic condition that goes way beyond blow. . .and I may replace solitude with another emotion evoking word as you have used it already in S1.

From a metaphorical standpoint. . .and in a metapysical way. . .I can feel death as cleansing. . .for in the death of each moment of our life.  . .we begin again, clean and pure. . .

as long as we're not talking literal, well, then, I won't worry.  *soft smile*  Possibly "there is no need to tell where I will fly. ..



I'm so far from home, 
too tired to finish 
something I never 
even dared to start 

Technically "I'm so far from home" is very American/English cliche. . .as is too tired to finish. . .try and look at things froma fresh perspective. . .which I realize is difficult to do for you as this is not your first language. . .and I applaud you always for how adept you are at utilizing English.

I like the last two lines. . .they sum it up nicely. . .and leave us with a lump in our throat. . .and the wish to lend aid. . .help the N begin. . .life.

Thanks for sharing. . .

~Ren~


 
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Re: Road to Oblivion
Reply #1 - Jan 1st, 1970 at 12:00am
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rimbaud wrote on Jan 1st, 1970 at 12:00am:


Hi Rimbaud, nice to meet you. Welcome to the Train, and the Firebox. How does a sixteen year-old become so desperate; I hope this is not a current autobiographical statement. My thoughts are within the text below...


Doug



The tender street lamps [Perhaps...The street lamp's tenderness/ flatters...?]
flatter my shadow,
as I pad down the lane
of my infinite solitude [Don't tell us, lead us]

Oh, [I]f only] these lights
only shone [perhaps...would shine] to illuminate
my eclipsed existence...
I'm deservedly desolate

my umbrella's shadow
is kept from precipitation,
but rain is inevitable
in this state of mind

you want to be
my emancipator-
like a wind stripping
away all sins

but they won't disappear
I'm all alone now,
no hurricane could blow
away my solitude

only death can clean
my impure body,
no need to tell
where I'm flying

I'm so far from home,
too tired to finish
something I never
even dared to start [I really like these last three lines.]




I would suggest that the use of punctuation should be consistent throughout. If you use commas, you should also use periods and the such. Use them all or lose them all is my rule of thumb.

I look forward to seeing more of you.


Doug
  
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Road to Oblivion
Jan 1st, 1970 at 12:00am
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The tender street lamps
flatter my shadow,
as I pad down the lane
of my infinite solitude

Oh, if these lights
only shone to illuminate
my eclipsed existence...
I'm deservedly desolate

my umbrella's shadow
is kept from precipitation,
but rain is inevitable
in this state of mind

you want to be
my emancipator-
like a wind stripping
away all sins

but they won't disappear
I'm all alone now,
no hurricane could blow
away my solitude

only death can clean
my impure body,
no need to tell
where I'm flying

I'm so far from home,
too tired to finish
something I never
even dared to start
  
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